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more than 20 million Americans say they

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have seen an unidentified flying object

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yet the subject of UFOs is generally

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scorned by science journalism and the

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government and Eyewitness News

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investigation into the topic that was

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broadcast last November has drawn

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worldwide attention and not all of that

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attention has been positive tonight

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George Knapp picks up where our previous

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series left off the new series is called

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UFOs the best evidence question mark

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Gary and Mary Ruth we've added the

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question mark for a good reason there

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are many unanswered questions about UFOs

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and about some of the people who claim

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to have knowledge about the topic

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questions about credibility and motives

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will be taking a hard look at some of

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those questions this week and beyond one

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thing we found is that despite some

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sniping from other media and the

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scoffing of government officials people

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want to know about UFOs even some very

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prominent people here because I know 15

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years ago if you would have said

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something especially with the guys I

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hang around they were gone right you

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know and when he going to Sparks Kent

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Orem is a hard-boiled semi cynical

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public relations man currently running

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the election campaign of Nevada Governor

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Bob Miller a few years ago Orem says he

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and his wife saw something strange in

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the night sky over Mel Charleston and we

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looked at it for about two and a half

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minutes in an ever budge and at the time

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I made a joke to my wife you know I mean

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if you were under the Starship

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it might look like and it was I would

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say it was gigantic and it was more of a

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square shape but it was a lot of lights

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and so I had a pair of binoculars in the

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back of my RAM charger so I went to get

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them we finally found him and that we

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looked up in the sky and it was gone I

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mean just flat going it depends on who

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I'm talking to about apprehension you

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know they kind of raise an eyebrow

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etchant you know Chuck Woodworth is a 20

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year veteran of the metro police

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department a trained observer who grew

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up in the shadow of the Nevada Test Site

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he had four friends saw their UFO in the

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desert north of Pioche all we saw was

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the LA I want to tell you it's the most

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intense light I've ever seen and I've

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been under some around some pretty heavy

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lights I've if you stood under the

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police helicopter at night when they're

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lighting up an area and they come right

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down I really saturated with light

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those would be very very dim to the

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lights we saw from this just I would

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judge his distance that we observed him

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to be at least 20 miles 15 to 20 miles

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from us and they were intense either

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Woodworth nor Orem can identify what

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they saw but both believe recent

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publicity about UFOs has made it easier

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to openly discuss the subject they're

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still those who have reservations though

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two of Southern Nevada's best-known

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elected officials say they've seen UFOs

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but neither was willing to admit it on

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television

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a veteran Las Vegas attorney sent us

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this letter saying he once had access to

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a top-secret military briefing book that

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included dozens of official photographs

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of alien beings an alien spacecraft the

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attorney did not want his name used most

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people believe that that UFOs are

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physically real rather than imaginary

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that's what the polls say but the same

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different poll also shows that those

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same people believe that other people

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don't believe that UFOs are physically

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real no one can say just how many UFOs

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are sighted each year primarily because

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it's difficult to report a sighting

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metro police won't take UFO reports at

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all and offer no advice on where to send

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them the FAA and macaron tower also say

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they're not interested and if you call

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Nellis Air Force Base as Ruth Ruiz did

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this is the response you'll get and he

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told me that they're not interested

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anymore in the UFOs because now we know

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whoever it is or whatever it is it's not

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a threat to us our national security now

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that's what he told me

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Nellis will give you the number of a

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private UFO hotline located in Seattle

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what's more both Nellis and McCarran

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spokesmen say they have no memory of

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even a single UFO sighting over their

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facilities a claim that is flatly

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contradicted by informed sources at both

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locations some UFO sightings are

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reported to the planetarium where

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astronomers can usually come up with a

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logical explanation Venus when it first

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Hill a few months ago and Venus first

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appeared in our evening sky you know for

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this time around you know we got a

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number of calls what's that bright

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object in this in the sky we'll be

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getting calls on Jupiter pretty soon

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because it's now rising about midnight

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in the east yeah we get those calls

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mainly it's just curiosity you know they

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see something strange they hadn't

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noticed before

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or even diehard UFO believers admit that

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90% of all UFO sightings are explainable

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but it's the other 10% that are of

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interest

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one good unidentifiable flying object

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whose characteristics and appearance

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indicate we're dealing with a vehicle

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whose behavior says it wasn't made here

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is worth 50 cases that you can explain

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just as most drugs don't cure diseases

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if you're sick with something you want

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the one that does don't tell me about

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the ones that don't so the focus with

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flying saucers has to be on the evidence

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the best evidence from all over the

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world using UFOs and evidence in the

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same sentence is a sore spot with some

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media outlets the Las Vegas

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review-journal has taken a dim view of

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UFO reports colonists have cleverly

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compared the UFO topic to the search for

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Elvis media critics say it's nothing but

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a ratings ploy when an international UFO

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convention was held in Las Vegas the

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lone story done by the RJ was a profile

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of UFO debunker Phil class with a

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headline suggesting it was class who

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knew the truth about flying saucers

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later though the papers succumb to UFO

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fever with a front-page story in its

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sunday supplement about UFO sightings in

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Nelson Nevada their word seems to be you

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know snicker snicker and and make fun of

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it but you know it's just this attitude

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that the journalists have got if they

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didn't know about it before it couldn't

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possibly be true I mean they've been

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sitting on this story now for about two

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years when I first started out and there

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hasn't been one of them that has done

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any useful research at all anyone who

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takes but one hour to review some of the

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available evidence cannot come away

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without the firm conviction that there

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is something out there not all media

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have shunned UFOs radio talk-show host

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Billy Goodman for months devoted most of

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his program to the topic but Goodman's

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show was canceled by station management

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his listeners suspect it's part of a

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government plot station executives say

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while the show was popular with

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listeners it wasn't popular with

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advertisers they canceled Goodman they

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say as part of a

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format change to news and sports

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programming much of Goodman's

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multi-state audience is now listening to

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Florida based talk host Chuck harder

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who's for the people network is heard on

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and frequently focuses on UFO

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developments in Southern Nevada

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predictably UFOs remain a staple of the

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tabloids which seemed to be getting even

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further out than before Nazi astronauts

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returned to earth in surprisingly good

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according to NASA sources space aliens

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stealing our frogs they must be stopped

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before it's too late

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remember the psychic who invited aliens

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to land at a Monday night football game

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they never showed up

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not because the Eagles Bears matchup

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wasn't appealing but because the

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Goodyear blimp scared them away one

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weekly tabloid featured a story about

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Bob Lazar the young scientist who says

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he worked at s for a secret Nevada

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military base where the government is

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allegedly tinkering with flying saucers

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of alien origin the article included

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hyped up non quotes and artists versions

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of s4 Lazar has also been featured in

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UFO magazines this article demanded that

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he open up his life for scrutiny by

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skeptical UFO buffs other UFO magazines

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aren't much different from tabloids this

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one Awards $10 a month to the person who

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can rig up the best phony UFO photo

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lazarre's story has even made it into

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Car and Driver magazine a recent article

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highlighted a Nevadan named Bob who had

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built a stealth Corvette for the

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extensible purpose of penetrating groom

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Lake to capture video of the flying

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saucers lazarre's story also caught the

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attention of at least one television

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network Nippon television of Japan which

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sent a crew to Nevada to produce a

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special about Lazar and area s4 oh you

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know what he seemed to be quite an

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interesting guy you know he knew what he

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was saying it's not another fruitcake

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you know we just came out and so wanted

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to tell all the story so we did some

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backup check and there seems to be some

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truth Lee and his crew have produced 17

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one hour programs about UFOs for

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national broadcast in Japan he says he

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can't understand why American networks

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avoid the topic for the report on the

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Tzar Nippon set aside two full hours on

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a Saturday night I don't know about here

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but in Japan too

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special and Saturday evening from 7:00

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to 9:00 it's you know it's a hell of a

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you know spot there there are more than

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a few people who consider the public

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fascination with UFOs to be downright

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dangerous

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aviation writer Phil class says the

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belief in alien beings and a government

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cover-up is quote potentially as

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dangerous as Jonestown that's the jungle

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settlement where dozens of people

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willingly committed suicide a study by

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two psychologists concluded that persons

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obsessed with UFOs especially

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cigar-shaped flying saucers or rounded

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discs are victims of a familiar Freudian

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syndrome if an interest in UFOs is a

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sign of mental aberration then count the

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US government as being among the

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disturbed Bob Lazar of course can recite

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a litany of strange things he says have

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happened to him tapped phones break-ins

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threats but even if you don't buy his

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story there are others who can attest to

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a government interest in UFO adherents

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Terry Tavern Eddie is the former police

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officer who performed polygraph tests on

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Lazar tavern Eddie who has a corporate

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security job with a major Las Vegas

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business says that shortly after his

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involvement with the Lazar probe was

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made public his employers were contacted

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the corporate offices or I'm employed

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received a telephone call from a

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government agency wanting to know why I

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was getting involved in something that I

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shouldn't be and I asked well what

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agency what was said did they identify

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themselves and I said because I'll be

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more than happy to talk to him and I was

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refused this information told that he

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didn't know meaning my boss savrinn

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Eddie who still retains the tapes and

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printouts from lazarre's polygraphs also

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says his home was burglarized in early

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January as an investigator of over 20

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years I don't believe in coincidences

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there's a reason for everything I mean

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could it have been a random residential

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burglary uh yes a Las Vegas man named

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Roy Byram contacted us back in November

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1989 saying he had information about

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area 51 that he had gleaned by preparing

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tax returns for several people who

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worked at Groom Lake less than 24 hours

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after phoning us Byram says he was

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visited by two men claiming to be Secret

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Service agents who quote just wanted to

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lean on me a bit journalists who study

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the

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yield for many years say that government

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interest in persons with inside

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information about UFOs is very real a

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body of information about UFOs in the

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possession of our government which is so

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sensitive to the people in custody of it

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that they will do just about anything to

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protect it finally there's this item a

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Las Vegas resident currently working for

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local government told us she previously

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worked for a defense contractor and was

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privy to numerous high-level discussions

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about crash discs recovered bodies and

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alien technology she was going to

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provide us with some of this information

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but less than two weeks ago says she was

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visited at her home by a man identifying

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himself as a government agent the man

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said that any release of information

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would lead to trouble adding that our

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source does a lot of traveling and that

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quote accidents can happen the agent

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also mentioned that harm could come to

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the woman's family she has now declined

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to talk with us and you know hearing

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Mary Ruth people-watch reports like this

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at home and I think some of you view it

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with interest but they view it as in the

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same way they're interested in a movie

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of the week this is not a movie of the

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week others seem to believe particularly

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our media critics like we're making this

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stuff up and we're not making it up

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we've spent almost a year on on this

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investigation and there is definitely a

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body of information out there that

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deserves an investigation George

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mentioned that the the previous series

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has been seen in other states and

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countries how has that happened well

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there's quite an underground network

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these UFO people out there UFO buffs at

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trade tapes and trade information of all

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sort we know of three organizations or

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groups that have been selling bootleg

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copies of the tape in parent or alleged

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violation of the copyright laws last

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night it was listening to a radio show

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it was broadcast coast-to-coast they

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were giving away dubs of the program as

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prizes to people who answered their

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trivia questions and today we got a fax

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from Arizona there was a group there

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that are charging 750 ahead for a

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viewing of the tape let's call it

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everywhere what's coming up in in coming

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days quite a bit of stuff we're going to

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dig deeper into the story told by Bob

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Lazar to see if there's any new evidence

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to support what he told us we'll hear

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from what might be called the deep

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throat of the UFO world an intelligence

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agent nicknamed the Falcon will

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investigate claims that the government

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actively spreads dis in four

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Meishan and will take a somewhat

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critical look at some of these UFO

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prophets of doom and UFO groups to find

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out if they may have ulterior motives in

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spreading the word about this